Nissan's third generation e-POWER powertrain

(nissan-global.com)

20 points | by mroche 1 hour ago

2 comments

  • gcanyon 1 hour ago
    One thing that always puzzled me was how the gas engines in hybrids were so efficient. Technology Connections has a great video explainer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnUFH5GX_fI

    tl;dw: constant RPM and a weird stroke geometry where the power stroke is longer than the other strokes to extract more energy from the expanding gasses.

    • jostmey 1 hour ago
      I'm surprised there isn't more effort to create hybrids in reverse--an electric car with optional gas generator. The gas generator could run at constant speed, never changing RMP, while the battery handles constant changes in acceleration. The idea is not mine. I've heard about it in China
      • ehnto 3 minutes ago
        That is exactly what ePOWER is, that configuration is called a series hybrid and is more commonly seen in heavy industry like diesel trains or trucks in the mines (for better or worse).

        More recently effort is also going into series hybrids for public road haulers, which I personally think is a great application for it since you can potentially put a lot of the equipment into a hot-swappable dolly.

      • obmelvin 5 minutes ago
        You may be interested to read / watch videos of Audi's RS Q e-tron they raced in the Dakar Rally and even won with this type of powertrain - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_RS_Q_e-tron
      • 33MHz-i486 7 minutes ago
        Ford and Ram are both doing this with their next generation electric pickups. Range and towing on pure electric was deemed too compromised.

        https://www.motortrend.com/features/what-is-an-erev-extended...

      • kevin_nisbet 12 minutes ago
        Not for cars, but Edison Motors in Canada seems to be going this route right now for their heavy duty trucks and heavy-duty pickup truck conversions.

        Disclosure: I have a small investment in them.

      • sjtrny 1 hour ago
        • Twirrim 45 minutes ago
          The volt was never popular enough, unfortunately. Right around the time we were looking to buy a new car, and had the Volt high on our list, the retired the product line.
      • Jimpulse 6 minutes ago
        Already a big push with this. They call them EREV now, extended range electric vehicles.
      • geokon 20 minutes ago
        Theoretically couldn't you take an electric car and put an off-the-shelf generator in your frunk and wire it up to charge the battery as you drive?
      • jackvalentine 28 minutes ago
        This is how BYD does it. (It also can apparently drive the front wheels with a clutch)

        https://bydautomotive.com.au/shark-6

      • janzer 27 minutes ago
        Just a note: the Technology Connections video above goes over why this doesn't work well for cars (but does for train locomotives).
      • seemaze 12 minutes ago
        Isn’t that how diesel trains operate?
      • serf 1 hour ago
        bmw I3s were this type of hybrid as far as I remember.

        the ICE extender was an option.

        • jasonwatkinspdx 1 hour ago
          Yup, my friends had one and loved it despite the... unique styling.

          They live in the Puget Sound area, and both work at the same place. It worked out to where they could do their commute, and ordinary errands entirely on battery, and only needed the range extender if they were going into downtown Seattle or on a road trip or such.

      • cyberax 47 minutes ago
        There were several of them: the first and second generations of Chevy Volt, Fisker Karma, BMW i3, and a couple of Chinese brands.

        They're less efficient than parallel hybrids at high speeds (on a freeway). And you also need a fairly sizeable engine to keep up with the consumption at freeway speed, so at this point you might as well just throw in a planetary gearbox.

      • minutillo 59 minutes ago
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  • instagib 1 hour ago
    Hopefully it’s better than the second gen. Gas engine front only puts power to one wheel and electric rear only puts power to one wheel while the other two sit idle. Bad state for a mild 4x4 unless you keep it on pavement.